Lex Fridman Podcast - #462 – Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson: Politics, Trump, AOC, Elon & DOGE

Ezra Klein is one of the most influential voices representing the left-wing of American politics. He is a columnist for the NY Times and host of The Ezra Klein Show. Derek Thompson is a writer at The Atlantic and host of the Plain English podcast. Together they have written a new book titled Abundance that lays out a set of ideas for the future of the Democratic party.
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) – Introduction
(03:17) – Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(10:33) – Left-wing vs right-wing politics
(19:54) – Political leaders on the left and the right
(44:29) – Internal political divisions
(47:29) – AOC
(58:50) – Political realignment
(1:10:32) – Supply-side progressivism
(1:17:42) – Wealth redistribution
(1:27:50) – Housing problem
(1:44:09) – Regulation and deregulation
(2:00:43) – DOGE, Elon, and Trump
(2:59:46) – Sam Harris
(3:09:24) – Future of America

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NBN Book of the Day - Sex and Love with Robots and Chatbots

It’s the UConn Popcast, and can you fall in love with ChatGPT? Can, and should, you have sex with a robot? We asked Professor Kate Devlin, a leading researcher on intimate relations between humans and artificial intelligences, to help us navigate the new landscape of sex and love with robots.

Kate is a Professor of AI & Society in the Department of Digital Humanities, King's College London. She’s the author of the excellent book Turned On: Science, Sex and Robots (Bloomsbury, 2018), which examines the ethical and social implications of technology and intimacy.

We had a rich conversation with Professor Devlin about the future of intimacy, the reality of the sex robot, the gender politics of depictions of AI in science fiction, and a lot more.

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Slate Books - Decoder Ring | How Books About Things That Changed the World… Changed the World

Look in the nonfiction section of any bookstore and you’ll find dozens of history books making the same bold claim: that their narrow, unexpected subject somehow changed the world. Potatoes, kudzu, soccer, coffee, Iceland, bees, oak trees, sand, chickens—there are books about all of them, and many more besides, with the phrase “changed the world” or something similarly grandiose right there in the title. These books are sometimes called “microhistories” or “thing biographies” and they’ve been a trope in publishing for decades. In this episode, we establish where this trend came from, figure out why it’s been so persistent, and then we put a bunch of authors on the spot, asking them to make the case for why their subjects changed the world.


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This episode was written by Willa Paskin and produced by Evan Chung, Decoder Ring’s supervising producer. Katie Shepherd and Max Freedman also produce our show. Merritt Jacob is Senior Technical Director.


Thank you to Joshua Specht, author of Red Meat Republic: A Hoof-to-Table History of How Beef Changed America; Dan Koeppel, author of Banana: The Fate of the Fruit That Changed the World; Tina Lupton; Dan Kois; and Nancy Miller.


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What A Day - This Group Chat Should Have Been An Email feat. Sen. Mark Warner

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard and CIA Director John Ratcliffe were on Capitol Hill Tuesday for what was supposed to be a routine annual hearing in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Except it ended up being anything but routine, coming one day after The Atlantic published a damning report about how top Trump officials shared imminent battle plans in a private group chat on Signal. President Donald Trump and other top White House officials spent the day insisting no classified information was shared in that group chat. Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, explains why their claims are hard to believe.

And later in the show, Wall Street Journal National Security reporter Alex Ward talks about why Signal-gate is such a big deal.

And in headlines: Russia and Ukraine agree to a partial ceasefire, the Department of Homeland Security said it has stopped processing some Green Card applications, and some Florida lawmakers have a solution to fill jobs vacated by deported migrants: child labor!

Show Notes:

The NewsWorthy - Group Chat Fallout, Reshaping Elections? & Spring Sales – Wednesday, March 26, 2025

The news to know for Wednesday, March 26, 2025!

What to know about more fallout from that Signal group chat that exposed American officials’ thinking ahead of military strikes in Yemen—and how the Trump administration is now defending itself.

Also, a new deal to stop fighting between Russia and Ukraine… at least somewhat.

Plus, which American election rules are changing, why some international athletes now have to take DNA tests before competing, and need an excuse to shop? We’ll tell you all about Amazon’s big spring sale.

Those stories and even more news to know in about 10 minutes! 

 

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The Best One Yet - 🎟️ “Inside StubHub” — The Ticket IPO. Napster’s $200M comeback. 23&Me’s DNA drama.

StubHub is the #1 secondary ticket marketplace… but the biz totally depends on scalpers.

Napster still exists (?) and just got bought for $207M… because “Say my name, say my name.”

23&M is bankrupt, but 15M customers have a question… ummm, what about my DNA?

Plus, the newest economic indicator is “Recession Brunette”... 


$STUB $ME $EBAY


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1A - Finding Agency In Chaos

If you've been following the news lately — including with 1A — it can be a lot to take in.

We've heard from many of you about how the news makes you feel. But what can we do in chaotic moments of history to build a sense of control in our lives? Maybe it's organizing in your community, starting a new hobby, or picking up that TV show from 10 years ago that you promised you'd get around to watching.

We talk about what finding agency in the chaos can look like, and why we should actively focus on something rather than simply react to what's happening.

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Short Wave - The Algae That Thrive in Arctic Darkness

Microalgae are tiny organisms that convert energy from sunlight into fuel. The arctic ecosystem depends on them. In springtime, the algae bloom brilliant shades of green and draw tiny crustaceans, fish, birds and more to arctic waters. But what happens in wintertime, when the sun goes down and darkness reins for months? In the depths of the polar night, biogeochemist Clara Hoppe has found evidence that some microalgae are still ready to photosynthesize. Today on the show: how tiny microalgae limbo for their lives and come out more powerful than scientists ever imagined.

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NPR's Book of the Day - Chuck Schumer’s ‘Antisemitism in America’ warns of a resurgence in antisemitic views

Sen. Chuck Schumer received major backlash from his party after supporting a Republican spending bill earlier this month – and some Democrats have called for him to resign from his position as minority leader. Schumer recently spoke with NPR's Scott Simon about that budget measure, prior to the ballots being cast, as part of a conversation about his new book, Antisemitism in America: A Warning. In the book, Schumer warns of an acceleration in antisemitism since 2017, a trend he says he's observed among the political right and left. In today's episode, Schumer joins Simon for a discussion that touches on the senator's criticism of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the federal funding fight at Columbia University, and the arrest of Mahmoud Khalil.

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