CoinDesk Podcast Network - BITCOIN SEASON 2: This Bitcoin OG is Orange Pilling the Bond Market

Pierre Rochard discusses Bitcoin bonds, his speculative attack thesis, corporate adoption trends, on-chain vs custodial usage, soft fork proposals, and how Bitcoin led to his spiritual journey. A comprehensive look at Bitcoin's present and future.


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Pierre Rochard, one of the OG voices in Bitcoin discourse, joins us to discuss his new Bitcoin Bond Company as the continuation of the speculative attack thesis that he wrote about a decade ago. Pierre shares insights on corporate Bitcoin adoption trends, the trade-offs between on-chain transactions vs custodial services, and why he's more open to soft forks than many Bitcoin maximalists. The conversation takes a personal turn when Pierre explains how Bitcoin's shift away from materialism created space for his spiritual journey back to Catholicism.


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Notes:

- Bitcoin bonds enable borrowing weak currencies

- MicroStrategy uses convertible bonds for Bitcoin

- Transaction fees crashed during bear markets

- ETFs reduce on-chain Bitcoin footprint

- Corporate adoption mainly from struggling companies

- Pierre has cataloged 22 soft fork proposals


Timestamps:

00:00 Start

01:36 Who's Pierre Rochard?

03:27 What's a speculative attack?

09:24 Current market outlook

11:48 Starkware interview reaction

20:45 Priced out of on-chain access

26:40 Arch

27:14 Corporate influence over protocol development

36:39 Corps buying BTC

39:34 Degens & speculation

46:05 Religion & faith

49:44 The virtues of soft forks

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