The Ezra Klein Show - How Groupthink Protected Biden and Re-elected Trump

This episode is about a seemingly simple question: Was there a Joe Biden cover-up?

Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson’s new book argues there was. “Original Sin: President Biden’s Decline, Its Cover-Up, and His Disastrous Choice to Run Again” details how Biden’s top advisers closed the circle around him and tried to conceal the extent of his decline.

But I think the story here is more complicated. If Biden’s top advisers were misleading the public, I think they were also lying to themselves. And if there was a cover-up, it had a lot of holes; voters had been telling pollsters they were worried about Biden’s age for years.

So I wanted to have Tapper on the show to talk about the discoveries in his book, but also about some of the bigger questions raised by the Democratic Party’s decision to almost renominate Biden: How do you see what is right in front of your eyes? How do you avoid letting loyalty to a person or a party blind you?

This episode contains strong language.

Mentioned:

Democrats Have a Better Option Than Biden” by Ezra Klein

Behind Closed Doors, Biden Shows Signs of Slipping” by Annie Linskey and Siobhan Hughes

Book Recommendations:

Lorne by Susan Morrison

Hitler’s People by Richard Evans

The Holy Roller by Andy Samberg, Joe Trohman and Rick Remender

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Everything Everywhere Daily - The History of Salt (Encore)

One of the most important substances throughout world history has been salt. 

Salt might seem mundane, but it is actually necessary for the functioning of life. 

For millennia, Salt has been used as a preservative, a seasoning, and even a medium of exchange.

Salt is one of the universal things that has remained the same throughout history and everywhere on Earth.

Learn more about salt and its importance in human history on this episode of Everything Everywhere Daily.


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Getting Hammered - Questions of Complicity

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The NewsWorthy - ‘Big Beautiful Bill’, New Covid Vaccine Policy & Bosses Talk Tough – Wednesday, May 21, 2025

The news to know for Wednesday, May 21, 2025!

We’ll tell you what’s included in a big budget bill, how President Trump is working to sell it, and why even some Republicans are holding out support.

Also, we’ll explain President Trump’s plan to build a multi-billion dollar “golden dome.”

Plus, what to know about the government’s new COVID vaccine policy, what vegetable is behind an outbreak making Americans sick, and why some of the NFL’s biggest stars could soon play flag football.

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NPR's Book of the Day - A new biography of Rafael Nadal focuses on the tennis star’s domination on clay

Tennis legend Rafael Nadal retired last year after a record-breaking career, one that included winning every major championship. In a new biography, Christopher Clarey – former tennis correspondent for The New York Times – considers the player's life and career, with particular focus on Nadal's domination on clay courts. In today's episode, Clarey joins Here & Now's Scott Tong for a conversation about the emotional side of Nadal's game, including the player's rituals and tics, his rivalries with Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic, and his early mentor in the sport.

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The Indicator from Planet Money - The old trade war that brought foreign carmakers to the U.S.

President Donald Trump wants more products made in America, and he's not afraid of a few trade wars to make it happen. Back in the 80s, a different trade dispute brought new manufacturing to the U.S. Today on the show, how former President Ronald Reagan used the threat of trade protectionism to bring car-making stateside, and why the same strategy might not work today.

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The tensions behind the sale of U.S. Steel (Apple / Spotify)
Tariffs: What are they good for? (Apple / Spotify)

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What Could Go Right? - The View from Canada with David Frum

What does Canada think about Donald Trump’s America? Zachary and Emma speak with David Frum, author, staff writer at The Atlantic, political commentator, and former speechwriter for President George W. Bush. A Canadian American, David elaborates on Canada’s strategic integration with the U.S., the implications of recent shifts including Trump’s tariffs and newly elected Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney, and what the future of American democracy looks like from his stance as both a Canadian and a former White House employee. David also suggests what ordinary Americans can do on top of voting.
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Risky Business with Nate Silver and Maria Konnikova - Motivated Reasoning in the Biden Campaign, Silicon Valley, and Beyond

We tend to use logic to reach conclusions that agree with our biases. Psychologists call this motivated reasoning. Today, Nate and Maria talk about motivated reasoning in the Biden campaign and Silicon Valley. Also: Conspiracy theories and the NBA draft.

Further Reading:

Fight: Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House

Original Sin: President Biden’s Decline, Its Cover Up, and His Disastrous Choice to Run Again

Elizabeth Holmes’ Partner Has a New Blood-Testing Startup

The Mavs’ Cooper Flagg lottery miracle fuels conspiracy theories – and hope

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