CoinDesk Podcast Network - THE MINING POD: Unpacking MARA’s AI Plans w/ CEO Fred Thiel

MARA’s Fred Thiel joins the Mining Pod to discuss the company’s AI and HPC plans, bitcoin, and the future of edge computing.


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Welcome back to The Mining Pod! Today, Fred Thiel, CEO and Chairman of MARA (formerly Marathon Digital Holdings), joins us to talk about MARA's strategic pivot toward AI and HPC infrastructure, the critical importance of energy ownership over PPAs, inference at the edge computing, MARA's partnerships with MPL and Exaion in Europe, and why Bitcoin's path to $1M will be harder than most think as the asset matures and institutionalizes.

Notes: 

• $1.4T AI spending planned over next 5 years

• MARA owns energy vs paying PPAs for electrons

• Many HPC contracts have strict delivery outs

• Bitcoin no longer follows 4-year cycle pattern

• 10% Bitcoin price change = $200B market move

• MARA has ~250 employees currently

Timestamps:

00:00 Start

04:05 Q3 look back

13:13 Inference at the edge

20:22 Sovereign cloud

27:13 MARA: hash cost vs hash price

29:33 Valuations not reflecting risk

33:22 MARA: value accretion

34:39 Operational deployment

37:07 Asset light vs hosting

41:47 Exaion deal

46:15 MPLX deal (natural gas )

50:22 CapEx costs

50:53 MPLX deal structure

56:23 CTO & 2PIC

1:01:28 Share dilution

1:12:31 What are you reading?

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CoinDesk Podcast Network - Trump’s $2K ‘Tariff Dividend’ Sends Crypto Market Surging | CoinDesk Daily

Will President Trump’s $2,000 'tariff dividend' ignite the market?

Bitcoin and major cryptocurrencies extended gains Monday as traders digested U.S. President Donald Trump’s latest economic proposal of a $2,000 “tariff dividend” for every American, funded by import duties. CoinDesk's Jennifer Sanasie hosts "CoinDesk Daily."

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This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie. “CoinDesk Daily” is produced by Jennifer Sanasie and edited by Taylor Fleming.

CoinDesk Podcast Network - An XRP ETF Would Be a “Huge, Huge Product” – Bitwise CEO Hunter Horsley | Markets Outlook

Exploring the potential of an XRP ETF with Bitwise Asset Management CEO Hunter Horsley.

Joining CoinDesk’s Jennifer Sanasie and Andy Baehr, Bitwise Asset Management CEO Hunter Horsley celebrates 2025 as the year "traditional financial services and crypto are finally coming together," a trend evidenced by the firm's remarkable success in launching investment products. He details the overwhelming demand for the new Solana Staking ETF (BSOL), which gathered over $400 million in five days, discusses the potential for future products like an XRP ETF, and offers his long-term outlook on volatility.

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This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie and Andy Baehr.

CoinDesk Podcast Network - Chainlink “Runtime Environment” Condenses Months of Work into Days – Sergey Nazarov

Introducing the Chainlink Runtime Environment with Chainlink Co-Founder Sergey Nazarov.

At SmartCon, Chainlink Co-Founder Sergey Nazarov sits down with CoinDesk’s Jennifer Sanasie and Sam Ewen to detail the massive complexity facing builders and institutions and introduces the new Chainlink Runtime Environment (CRE), an orchestration layer designed to simplify the creation of advanced smart contracts. He shares how this toolkit is already enabling complex solutions for central banks and institutions like UBS, preparing the way for tokenized funds and private, cross-chain trade flows.

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This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie and Sam Ewen.

CoinDesk Podcast Network - BITCOIN SEASON 2: The 7 Indicators Saying The Bull Market Isn’t Over

Bitcoin dropped but 30 Coinglass indicators show the bull market is intact. We break down the 7 best signals including Bitcoin dominance at 59%, Pi cycle top indicator, and why ETFs change everything. No bear market signals detected.


We dive deep into Coinglass's Bull Market Peak Indicators showing zero out of 30 signals flashing bear market warnings. Despite recent price drops and worst jobs data in 22 years, Bitcoin dominance sits at 59% (65% triggers peak warnings), Pi cycle top indicator remains green, and long-term holders absorbed $52.2B in sell pressure.

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Notes:

• 0 out of 30 indicators show bear market

• Bitcoin dominance currently at 59%

• 65% dominance historically signals cycle top

• Jobs data showed 100K+ losses last month

• Long-term holders absorbed $52.2B sell pressure

Timestamps:

00:00 Start

00:36 BTC puking on jobs data

01:39 Bitcoin Dominance

07:19 Institutional Allocations

09:09 Long Term Holder Supply

11:57 Mayer Multiple

13:26 Peull Multiple

19:42 Pi Cycle Top Indicator

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CoinDesk Podcast Network - Kraken Co-CEO: Stablecoins Are a “Far Superior” Payment Mechanism | Markets Outlook

Unpacking market volatility, stablecoins, and Kraken's strategy with Co-CEO David Ripley.

Kraken Co-CEO David Ripley joins CoinDesk’s Jennifer Sanasie and Andy Baehr to discuss the firm's record-breaking Q3 growth and its strategy to merge traditional finance with crypto by moving into futures and equities trading. Ripley highlights the "network effect" that has made stablecoins the default settlement currency for exchanges and integrated crypto businesses. He also addresses the compression of Bitcoin volatility and how Kraken is catering to both seasoned individual pro traders and the broader, derivatives-shy retail consumer base.

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OwlTing (Nasdaq: OWLS) is building invisible rails for global payments. With OwlPay, businesses and users can bridge fiat and stablecoins, send money instantly across borders, and access stablecoin checkout at lower costs. Licensed worldwide, OwlTing delivers secure, compliant, and regulated infrastructure for the digital economy. Learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠owlting.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

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This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie and Andy Baehr.

CoinDesk Podcast Network - Google to Bring Polymarket and Kalshi to Its Search and Finance Platforms | CoinDesk Daily

Google will display real-time prediction market odds from Polymarket and Kalshi in search.

Google will now display real-time prediction market odds from Polymarket and Kalshi in Google Search and Google Finance. This marks a rare mainstream use of blockchain-based prediction data, as Google revamps its finance tools with AI and global features. CoinDesk's Jennifer Sanasie hosts "CoinDesk Daily."

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Genius Group has partnered with CoinDesk for Bitcoin Treasury Month, launching the Genius x CoinDesk Quest. Participants can join the Bitcoin Academy, complete free microcourses from experts like Natalie Brunell and Saifedean Ammous, and enter to win 1,000,000 GEMs (worth 1 BTC) promoting bitcoin education and adoption.Learn more at:  ⁠⁠geniusgroup.ai/coindesk-bitcoin-treasury-month/⁠⁠

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This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie. “CoinDesk Daily” is produced by Jennifer Sanasie and edited by Taylor Fleming.

CoinDesk Podcast Network - WH Advisor Patrick Witt: Shutdown’s “Strange” Silver Lining For Crypto Bill Talks

What's next for Market Structure with Executive Director of the President's Council of Advisors for Digital Assets at the White House, Patrick Witt.

White House Executive Director of the President’s Council of Advisors for Digital Assets, Patrick Witt shares his confidence with CoinDesk’s Jennifer Sanasie and Andy Baehr at Ripple Swell, that the market structure bill will be finalized by 2026. He emphasizes that President Trump wants the legislation "on his desk as soon as possible" and explains why Congress is working to pass the bill now—not in a crisis—to ensure clear, rational regulation that brings innovation back to the U.S.

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This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie and Andy Baehr.

CoinDesk Podcast Network - THE MINING POD: Cipher’s Amazon Deal, IREN’s Microsoft Deal, Q3 Earnings Recap, and is China Winning the AI Race?

IREN and Cipher both announced deals with hyperscalers this week as the AI race heats up among bitcoin miners.


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Welcome back to The Mining Pod! Today, Colin and Matt talk about two massive hyperscaler deals that have upped the expectations for AI-pivots. Cipher Mining just secured a $5.5B, 15-year lease with Amazon Web Services for 300MW at their Bear Lake facility, while IREN signed a $9.7B, 5-year deal with Microsoft for 200MW in Texas. We also cover highlights from public miner Q3 earnings that have trickled through so far, a bitcoin miner lawsuit that involves OpenAI, and why Warren Buffett's Pacific Power’s loss with Amazon is a win for bitcoin miners. Plus: Will China win the AI race? Nvidia’s CEO thinks yes.

Notes: 

• Cipher signs $5.5B AWS deal for 300MW facility

• IREN inks $9.7B Microsoft cloud compute agreement

• Hash price crashes to $40 per petahash per day

• Bitcoin retraced from $126K to $101K support

• Cipher announces 1GW data center JV project

• Pacific Power fails to deliver Amazon capacity

Timestamps:

00:00 Start

02:00 Difficulty Report by Luxor

05:05 Cipher Amazon deal

08:02 IREN Microsoft deal

13:56 Cleanspark Ad

14:25 Q3 earnings update

14:38 RIOT

14:54 MARA

15:34 HUT 8

16:08 CIPHER

18:23 CORZ workers comp lawsuit

21:08 China winning AI race?

26:31 Cry Corner: Buffett can’t MW

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👉 FBOX, Cooling for Bitcoin Mining and the AI Data Center Transformation

FBOX is the global leader in cooling system manufacturing, with the #1 shipment volume of bitcoin mining containers worldwide. Not only powering for the strongest hashrate, their technology also helps mining infrastructure transform into AI data centers. Backed by the largest production scale on earth, global deployment capability, and a full range of cooling solutions, they are shaping the future of compute.

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CoinDesk Podcast Network - Sergey Nazarov on Crypto Bill: “Possible, if the Government Turns Back On”

Unpacking the shift in US crypto policy with Chainlink Co-Founder Sergey Nazarov.

At Chainlink’s SmartCon, Chainlink co-founder Sergey Nazarov discusses how the new political commitment to crypto in the US has removed a major "counterbalancing force," accelerating the industry and legitimizing blockchain for global finance with CoinDesk’s Jennifer Sanasie and Sam Ewen. He emphasizes the crucial role of the Trump administration and agencies like the SEC in creating clarity, which is now converting Chainlink's long-term institutional deals into "go live" infrastructure implementations. Plus, he addresses the persistent misconception among some Democrats that blockchains encourage money laundering, arguing the technology actually reduces illicit financial activity compared to traditional systems.

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This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie and Sam Ewen.