The Gist - Christine Wenc: The Onion’s Straight Face Made It Funnier

Christine Wenc joins to discuss Funny Because It’s True: How The Onion Created Modern American News Satire, recalling its Wisconsin roots, AP-style discipline, and newsroom battles over absurd details. She traces the paper’s arc from gas-station rent money to online cult influence, and the tension between preachiness and bite. Plus, the Ambazonian separatist movement run from Minneapolis, and a court ruling upholding E. Jean Carroll’s $83 million judgment against Donald Trump. Come See Mike Pesca at Open Debate

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The Gist - Immigration, Nuance, and a Leonhardt Vault Cut

It’s the Saturday Show: one from the week, one from the vault. Mike revisits his take on immigration—spurred by a CNN piece and a Pesca Profundities post—arguing the media too often flattens a hard issue into easy labels. Courts have now allowed parts of Trump’s approach, forcing a distinction between “shameful” and “unconstitutional.” From the vault, David Leonhardt on why Democrats’ stance can sound like “more is good, less is racist. Come See Mike Pesca at Open Debate

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The Gist - Mike Hayes on Purpose, Grit, and Mission

Today on The Gist. Trump’s push to rebrand the Pentagon as the “Department of War”. Then  a full-length interview with Mike Hayes—former commanding officer of SEAL Team 2, White House Fellow, and author of Mission Driven: The Path to a Life of Purpose. Hayes lays out how to define the “who” before the “what,” why 1% better beats overnight breakthroughs, and how grit, EQ, and team-first leadership scale beyond the battlefield to business and life. Plus: talent vs. credentialism, learning from failure without ego, and why calm thinking under pressure is a trainable skill. Come See Mike Pesca at Open Debate

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The Gist - Not Even Mad: Galen Druke and Josh Barrow

Today on The Gist: It’s Not Even Mad. Mike Pesca welcomes Galen Druke and Josh Barrow for a sharp yet civil debate on Trump’s immigration strategy, crime, and the charge of creeping autocracy. They weigh whether cruelty brings Trump political advantage, how Democrats should frame their response, and what “autocracy makes you poor” really means for voters. Plus, Mike spotlights where polls mislead, why midterms punish incumbents, and why branding matters as much as policy. Come See Mike Pesca at Open Debate

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The Gist - Miles Taylor on Resistance Cascades, Rubio’s Turn, and Testing the Judiciary

Former DHS official Miles Taylor, author of the “Anonymous” op-ed, returns to discuss Trump’s second term agenda, the courts, and the missing “axis of adults.” Pesca opens with a theory on why deportees landed in Eswatini, then closes with a spiel on the immigration conundrum: border deterrence versus humane policy. Taylor explains “permission structures,” why resistance cascaded in 2020 but not 2024, how this White House could test the judiciary, what Rubio’s evolution signals, how patronage is used to quiet critics, and why satire can move persuadables better than lectures.

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The Gist - Ex-DHS Chief Miles Taylor: Trump, Treason, and Executive Power

Trump health rumors, media scrutiny, and what counts as news kick off the show before a wide-ranging interview with Miles Taylor—former DHS Chief of Staff and author of Blowback—about the April 2025 White House memo labeling him “treasonous,” the threats that followed, alleged blacklisting, and how executive power can be bent to punish speech. We discuss investigations vs. “fishing expeditions,” loyalty scorecards for companies, and why institutions cave—or don’t. In the spiel, Mike reframes the immigration fight: policy trade-offs, public opinion, and what data actually say about enforcement. Plus, a critique of a viral CNN segment on a deportation case and how storytelling choices shape perceptions. Keywords: Miles Taylor, DHS, Trump memo, treason label, blacklists, executive power, media coverage, polling, immigration policy, CNN report. *Please Note that Mike is on assingment, which is why his audio is not ideal* Come See Mike Pesca at Open Debate

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The Gist - Governor Wes Moore on Baltimore’s Historic Drop in Homicides, Plus Laura Loomer’s Lunacy

Maryland Governor Wes Moore has overseen one of the steepest homicide drops in America. Baltimore, long plagued by 300-plus murders a year, has seen killings fall more than 40 percent since 2023. In this archived conversation, Moore explains how a data-driven, all-of-the-above approach—boosting local police, investing in technology, and supporting victims—helped reshape the city’s fight against violent crime.

Plus: Mike Pesca’s spiel takes on the bizarre press orbit around Laura Loomer, a figure whose influence is as erratic as her antics. From dog food taste-tests to Shakespeare protests to depositions about Arby’s, coverage of Loomer often reveals more about the media’s hunger for spectacle than about her. Produced by Corey Wara

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The Gist - Edward Wong: At the Edge of Empire, China, Family, and Power

New York Times correspondent Edward Wong has reported from Beijing to Baghdad, covering the rise of China and the reach of American power. In his new book At the Edge of Empire: A Family’s Reckoning with China, Wong blends geopolitics with personal history, from his father’s time in Mao’s army to his own years navigating censorship and nationalism in modern China. Mike talks with Wong about ideology, disillusionment, and what China’s trajectory means for the United States and the world. Plus: On the 20th anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, Mike reflects on how rumors and misinformation shaped the disaster response, and what lessons still echo in today’s media landscape.

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The Gist - Nick Foster on How We Really Think About the Future

Mike Pesca examines the political spin after a Minnesota school shooting and the debate over trans identity and mass shootings. He then speaks with designer and futurist Nick Foster (Apple, Google, Dyson) about his new book Could Should Might Don’t: How We Think About the Future and why tech culture misunderstands futurism. Plus, a spiel on how RFK Jr.’s administration is hollowing out Health and Human Services and why missing mice reveal a bigger problem.

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The Gist - Inside a Fat Camp named Shame

Donald Trump’s allies are weaponizing the machinery of government against opponents, eroding faith in American institutions. But does every abuse demand the “dictatorship” label? Mike weighs in on the rhetoric of tyranny, then turns to Camp Shame, a new podcast by Kelsey Snelling about the notorious weight loss retreat Camp Shane, its false promises, and its lasting scars. Use Code gist at the link to get an exclusive 60% off an annual incogni plan: https://incogni.com/gist Produced by Corey Wara

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