What A Day - Trump’s Deportation Standoff Keeps Getting Worse

President Donald Trump met with President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador in the Oval Office Monday. Their conversation centered on immigration, and specifically the wrongful deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran man whose removal the White House chalked up to an “administrative error.” Last week, the Supreme Court ordered the administration to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s return to the U.S. But Bukele told reporters Monday he won’t send him back, and Trump said no one can make him do it. Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, senior fellow at the American Immigration Council, talks about Trump’s expanding immigration crackdown.

And in headlines: Harvard University rebuffed the White House’s list of policy demands to protect billions in federal funding, Trump again threatened CBS’ ’60 Minutes,’ and a man accused of setting fire to the Pennsylvania Governor’s Mansion was charged with attempted homicide and terrorism.

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What Next | Daily News and Analysis - Trump’s Weaponized IRS

On April 7, the Treasury Department and Department of Homeland Security reached an agreement to allow ICE to use confidential tax information to locate undocumented immigrants. Though this group generally pays taxes at a higher rate than comparable U.S. citizens, advocates warn that the IRS-ICE team-up could have a chilling effect. They say it’s likely to endanger the $66 billion in federal tax revenue undocumented immigrants are estimated to contribute, and add to a climate of fear in communities nationwide.


Guest: Francine Lipman, law professor at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.


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What A Day - We Went To The ‘Fighting Oligarchy’ Rally

Congress is out of session this week. Democrats are keeping busy with planned town hall events in red and blue districts nationwide. But a certain progressive duo is taking a different approach. Vermont Independent Senator Bernie Sanders will continue his “Fighting Oligarchy” tour with New York Democratic Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez over the next few days to speak out against the Trump administration. The two were just in Los Angeles over the weekend. We stopped by to talk to folks in the crowd about what they want to see from Democrats over the next four years.

And in headlines: The Trump administration walked back its statement declaring electronic imports exempt from the president’s tariffs, a judge ruled that the Trump administration can deport Palestinian activist Mahmoud Khalil, and Pennsylvania authorities arrested a man for suspected arson after a fire blew through Governor Josh Shapiro’s residence.

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What Next | Daily News and Analysis - Project 2025’s Plan for Your Family

Despite what Trump said on the campaign trail, his administration seems to be working right out of Project 2025, where the first goal is to “Restore the family as the centerpiece of American life—and protect our children.” What does this mean in action? It starts with a very specific type of “family.”


Guest: David Graham, Atlantic staff writer and author of the forthcoming book, The Project: How Project 2025 Is Reshaping America.


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What Next | Daily News and Analysis - TBD | TikTok: Somehow Also Affected by the Tariffs

TikTok was on the verge of being sold to a non-Chinese company when Trump rolled out his new tariff plans. Now everything is thrown into uncertainty and the company has until mid-June to find another buyer—or be banned in the United States.


Guest: Sapna Maheshwari, New York Times reporter covering TikTok, technology and emerging media companies.


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More or Less: Behind the Stats - How much is a human life worth?

What is the cash value of a human life?

That?s the question at the heart of The Price of Life, a book by journalist Jenny Kleeman. It turns out that there?s not just one price, there are many - depending on exactly how that life is being created, traded or destroyed. Tim Harford talks to Jenny about what she discovered.

Presenter: Tim Harford Producer: Tom Colls Production co-ordinator: Brenda Brown Sound mix: Neil Churchill Editor: Richard Vadon

What A Day - House Republicans Pass Big Beautiful Bill feat. Rep. Ro Khanna

If you’re not feeling better after President Donald Trump paused the largest of his previously planned tariffs on 75 countries on Wednesday, you’re not alone. The stock market is just as confused as you are. Wednesday’s historic gains were essentially wiped out by huge losses on Thursday. And nobody knows what Trump is going to do next on tariffs, if they’ll go into effect, when they’ll go into effect, or how high they’ll be. And with millions of Americans scared about rising prices and losing their jobs, the House GOP adopted a budget that could result in massive cuts to the social safety net, including Medicaid. California Democratic Representative Ro Khanna joins the show to discuss the tariff debate and the House GOP’s budget.

And in headlines: The State Department continues to revoke student visas over students’ political beliefs, egg prices reach (another) record high, the Social Security Administration rolls back plans to restrict phone services, and the CEO of UFC…gets credit for a prisoner exchange with Russia?

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