The Indicator from Planet Money - Government shutdown fallout, price floors, and AI slop against the machine

It’s … Indicators of the Week! Our weekly look at some of the most fascinating economic numbers from the news. 

On today’s episode: Frozen and canceled federal dollars, America’s intensifying tit-for-tat with China, and a sloppy trend infiltrating the music business. (With a pocket full of shells.)

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China's trade war perspective 
Fighting AI with AI 

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Cato Podcast - Peace President?

President Trump is taking a victory lap for brokering peace in Gaza—while simultaneously escalating the U.S. proxy war in Ukraine and launching airstrikes against suspected cartel boats. Our panel assesses Trump’s Nobel ambitions, celebrates this year’s actual Peace Prize winner, Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado.


Featuring Ryan Bourne, Gene Healy, Justin Logan, & Ian Vasquez


Justin Logan, "The Case for Withdrawing from the Middle East," Defense Priorities, September 2020.

Ian Vasquez, “Maria Corina Machado, Venezuelan Champion of Freedom, Wins the Nobel Peace Prize,” Cato at Liberty blog, October 10, 2025.

Ian Vasquez and Marcos Falcone, “Liberty Versus Power in Milei’s Argentina,Free Society, October, 2025.


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What A Day - Rural Healthcare Is At Stake In The Shutdown Fight

A federal judge halted the Trump administration’s efforts to get rid of roughly 4,000 federal workers during the shutdown on Wednesday. And yet while courts try to stop the Trump administration from axing government workers, hundreds of thousands of federal employees are going without paychecks. And the Affordable Care Act subsidies Democrats are fighting for are what stands between millions of Americans and even higher health care prices. To discuss how the shutdown and the subsidies fight are affecting rural Americans, I spoke to Wisconsin Democratic Sen. Tammy Baldwin.

And in headlines, Department of Homeland Security blows a wad of cash on Kristi Noem-inspired propaganda, Trump confirms he’s authorized CIA action in Venezuela. And Operation Summer Heat! No it’s not a new Baywatch spin-off – it’s Trump’s and FBI director Kash Patel’s latest crackdown on crime.

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What Next | Daily News and Analysis - He Wrote About Anti-Fascism—Then Fled the Country

In an executive order, Donald Trump declared “Antifa” a terrorist organization. As it isn’t an organization, there aren’t leaders to target, so zealous conservatives took aim at Mark Bray, a Rutgers professor who wrote a book about fighting fascism eight years ago. The clumsy attempts to get him fired didn’t bother him—but the doxxing and death threats were enough to convince him he needed to leave America.

Guest: Mark Bray, assistant teaching professor at Rutgers, author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook.

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The Indicator from Planet Money - OpenAI’s deals are looking a little frothy

There have been many headline-grabbing AI deals recently: Nvidia investing up to $100 billion in OpenAI. OpenAI promising to buy $300 billion worth of computing power from Oracle. Oracle buying tons of chips from Nvidia. 

But … where’s the money coming from? Is all this AI overhype … a bubble? 

On today's show, how money flows in the AI hyperscaling flood. 

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Is AI overrated? 

Is AI underrated?


The messy human drama behind OpenAI 

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More or Less: Behind the Stats - Are millions of people getting Motability cars for anxiety and ADHD?

Tim Harford investigates some of the numbers in the news. This week:

The Conservative party conference has been told that millions of people are getting free cars from the government because they have ADHD and anxiety. Is that right?

The chair of the Labour party says that only 3% of farmers will be affected by proposed changes to inheritance tax. Is that true?

The charity Movember claim that two in five men die too young. What does that really mean?

And Tim’s mid-life crisis has manifested itself in a marathon run. We ask a scientist if data can help him finish faster.

If you’ve seen a number in the news you think we should take a look at, let us know: moreorless@bbc.co.uk

Presenter: Tim Harford Reporter: Nathan Gower Producer: Lizzy McNeill Series producer: Tom Colls Production co-ordinator: Maria Ogundele Sound mix: Gareth Jones Editor: Richard Vadon

What A Day - Why Marjorie Taylor Greene Sounds Like A Democrat Lately

As the government shutdown chugs along, cracks form within the GOP. The biggest crack? Georgia Republican Congresswoman Majorie Taylor Greene. She's starting to sound more and more... like a liberal? This is part of a trend for MTG. In the last few months, she’s referred to the horrors taking place in Gaza as a, QUOTE, “genocide” and offered an amendment to cut defense support to Israel. To speak more about Marjorie Taylor Greene's moment, we talked to Annie Karni. She’s a congressional reporter for the New York Times who profiled Greene in September.

And in headlines, Israel’s fragile ceasefire shows early fissures, Obama reemerges to endorse prop 50, and James Comey scores a blow in President Trump's DOJ case against him.

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What Next | Daily News and Analysis - Time for a Blue-State “Soft Secession”?

The government shutdown isn’t hitting everywhere equally—infrastructure projects that rely on federal funding have been halted exclusively in states that voted for Kamala Harris. Do blue states have any recourse against a federal government that only functions to punish them?

Guest: David Faris, associate professor of political science at Roosevelt University and the author of It’s Time to Fight Dirty: How Democrats Can Build a Lasting Majority in American Politics

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The Indicator from Planet Money - Inside the growing industry to defend schools from mass shootings

From drones to body armor to bulletproof whiteboards, companies are offering schools a multitude of products to try to deter or protect against the next school shooting. But does any of this stuff work? On today’s show, a look inside the school shooting industry. What's for sale and the psychology behind the growing industry.

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Why are so many public schools closing?  

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Cato Podcast - Protecting Immigration Enforcement Officers and the Constitution

According to recent government data, immigration enforcement has become a much more dangerous job. David Bier and Patrick Eddington discuss the policy tradeoffs driving these numbers, previous administrations' efforts at mitigating mass immigration, and how to craft a more just, effective and safe immigration policy.

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