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A panel of federal judges ruled on Wednesday that many of President Trump’s tariffs were illegal, a decision that has threatened to derail his trade agenda.
Victor Schwartz, the wine importer at the center of the case, explains why he decided to take on the president, and Jeanna Smialek, the Brussels bureau chief for The Times, discusses what options Mr. Trump has to save his trade war.
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This is a bit of a strange episode. It’s an attempt to explore the difficulty of everything we’re supposed to feel in a day. We’re in a time when to open the news is to expose yourself to horrors — ones that are a world away, others that are growing ever closer, or perhaps have already made landfall in our lives. And then many of us look up from our screens into a normal spring day. What do you do with that?
But that’s not new or exceptional. It’s the human condition. It exists for all of us, and it always has: life intermingling with death, grief coexisting with joy. Kathryn Schulz’s memoir, “Lost & Found,” is all about this experience — the core of her book isn’t losing a parent or finding a life partner. It’s the “and” that connects them both. How do we hold all that we have to hold, all at once? How do we not feel overwhelmed, or emotionally numbed?
I found this to be a beautiful conversation. But it’s also a conversation — particularly at the beginning — about loss and grief. That was the part that felt truest to me, and so I hope noting it doesn’t warn you off. But I wanted to note it.
Book Recommendations:
A Place of Greater Safety by Hilary Mantel
Spent by Alison Bechdel
Who Is Government? Edited by Michael Lewis
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On this episode: Trump’s tariffs get blocked, Elon exits the White House, and Harvard, NPR, and PBS scramble to keep their funding. Plus, the U.S. and Israel work to get aid into Gaza, and San Francisco unveils a radical new grading scale. Until we meet again!
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13:28 - Trump's tariff's blocked
27:10 - Elon leaves the White House
37:10 - Harvard, PBS, NPR funding
48:25 - Aid into Gaza
53:13 - Grading for equity
The team at Lemonada Media is excited to introduce Worth It, a new series created in partnership with the Minnesota Star Tribune. There’s a reason compasses point north — the North Star State is full of surprises, and hosts Nicole Norfleet and Aaron Brown are here to help you find them. Each week, they cut through the noise to spotlight hidden gems, can’t-miss events, local eats, and the places that might not be worth your time. Whether it’s farm camp or gourmet cotton candy, a must-see concert or a skip-it venue — they’ll help you decide what’s truly worth it.
In this episode, they uncover the best spots for dirty soda, unpack U.S.-Canada tensions spilling into a Grand Marais bike race, and dig into the hype behind a couple of $10 cereal brands. Plus, a St. Cloud amphitheater that might just be your new summer go-to.
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In this week’s Progress Report, Emma brings you the inspiring good news stories you might have missed. Discover how states across the U.S. are raising the minimum age for marriage, with Maine’s new law creating a “New England Wall” against child marriage. Celebrate the launch of Africa’s first continental space agency, promising better weather data—and brighter futures—for millions. Plus, get the latest on LGBTQ rights victories in Europe, from Italy’s birth certificate breakthrough to Poland’s last “LGBT-free zone” being abolished.
What Could Go Right? is produced by The Progress Network and The Podglomerate.
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Today on The Gist: Sadie Dingfelder returns for an “Is That BS?” segment to investigate dog talking buttons—those viral gadgets that claim to give pets a voice. Are dogs actually communicating abstract thoughts, or is it all one big squeaky placebo? Then, a look at Trump’s trade policy unraveling —cue the Wall Street “TACO trade” (Trump Always Chickens Out). Finally, a Guardian article on defund-the-police “successes” that flat out ignores shocking homicide stats.
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