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The Ezra Klein Show - Ta-Nehisi Coates on Bridging Gaps vs. Drawing Lines

The writer Ta-Nehisi Coates was harshly critical of my response to Charlie Kirk’s assassination. In an article in Vanity Fair, he suggested I was whitewashing Kirk’s legacy, comparing it to the whitewashing of the Southern cause after the Civil War.

So I wanted to have Coates on the show to talk out our disagreement, as well as some deeper questions that I think exist underneath it about the work of politics.

What should the left do about the fact that so many Americans share Kirk’s views? What kinds of disagreements should we try to bridge? When is that work moral and necessary, and when is it a betrayal?

This episode contains strong language.

Mentioned:

“Charlie Kirk, Redeemed: A Political Class Finds Its Lost Cause” by Ta-Nehisi Coates

Between the World and Me by Ta-Nehisi Coates

“My President Was Black” by Ta-Nehisi Coates

Book Recommendations:

The Brothers by Stephen Kinzer

Race and Reunion by David W. Blight

The Sirens’ Call by Chris Hayes

Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html

This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Kristin Lin, Jack McCordick, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. Transcript editing by Sarah Murphy. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

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Everything Everywhere Daily - John Brown

In the decades prior to the outbreak of the US Civil War, abolitionists had been ratcheting up their efforts to end the institution of slavery. 


The battle was fought mainly through politics and persuasion, but some were not satisfied with a peaceful approach and felt that more active means were necessary.


One abolitionist stands above others in his willingness to use violence to end the institution of slavery: John Brown. 


Learn about John Brown and his radical abolitionism on this episode of Everything Everywhere Daily.


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Everything Everywhere Daily - The Law of the Sea (Encore)

The world as we know it is made up of 193 countries, Antarctica, and a host of territories.
However, between all of those places are the high seas or international waters, which are not controlled by anyone. 

But where do international waters begin? What can you do in international waters? And how close can you actually sail to another country?

Learn more about the Law of the Sea, how it was created, and what it stipulates on this episode of Everything Everywhere Daily.

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More or Less: Behind the Stats - The Case of the Missing US Data

In early February 2025, something strange started happening across US government websites.

Decades of data began disappearing from webpages for agencies such as the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, the National Institutes of Health and the Census Bureau. In many cases the entire website went dark. Within a few days some 8,000 government pages and 3,000 datasets had been taken down. Since then, many have been reinstated - but some have not. We speak to Professors Maggie Levinstein and John Kubale to find out why this data was taken away, and why any of it matters.

If you spot any numbers or statistical claims that you think we should check out contact: moreorless@bbc.co.uk

Presenter: Tim Harford Producer: Lizzy McNeill Series Producer: Tom Colls Editor: Richard Vadon Production Co-Ordinator: Rosie Strawbridge Audio Mix: Neil Churchill

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Audio Mises Wire - Presidents Have a Long History of Using the FCC to Silence Their Critics

President Trump’s latest anti-broadcast media actions are portrayed in legacy media as being unprecedented. While they definitely are outrageous, they hardly are the first time presidents have used federal agencies to go after broadcast opposition.

Original article: https://mises.org/mises-wire/presidents-have-long-history-using-fcc-silence-their-critics