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The Ezra Klein Show - Mahmoud Khalil Tells His Story

Mahmoud Khalil was a leader in Columbia University’s pro-Palestinian protests. In March, he was arrested by ICE agents and held for more than 100 days in a Louisiana detention facility. The Trump administration claims Khalil is deportable — even though he has a green card, married to a U.S. citizen — because he poses a threat to U.S. foreign policy goals.

Khalil’s alleged offense here is speech.

Khalil is out now on bail, and he’s still speaking. I wanted to hear what he had to say.

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A Letter From Palestinian Activist Mahmoud Khalil

The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine by Rashid Khalidi

Book Recommendations:

One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This by Omar El Akkad

The Question of Palestine by Edward Said

My Promised Land by Ari Shavit

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NBN Book of the Day - Jean-Marc Coicaud, “The Law and Politics of International Legitimacy” (Cambridge UP, 2025)

The Law and Politics of International Legitimacy (Cambridge University Press, 2025) examines the significance of the issue of political legitimacy at the international level, focusing on international law. It adopts a descriptive, critical, and reconstructive approach. In order to do so, the book clarifies what political legitimacy is in general and in the context of international law. The book analyzes how international law contributes to a sense of legitimacy through notions such as international membership, international rights holding, fundamental principles and hierarchy of rights holding, rightful conduct, and international authority. In addition, the book stresses the severe limitations of the legitimacy of international law and of the current international order that it contributes to regulate and manage. This leads the book to identify the conditions under which international order and international law could overcome their problems of legitimacy and become more legitimate. The book is interdisciplinary in nature, mobilizing international law, political and legal theory, philosophy, history, and political science.

Jean-Marc Coicaud is Distinguished Professor of Law and Global Affairs, Rutgers School of Law, New Jersey, USA and Fellow, Academia Europaea. He is also Fudan Distinguished Chair Professor at Fudan Institute for Advanced Studies in Social Sciences (Shanghai, China).

Leo Bader is a senior at Wesleyan University studying political theory and history.

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Slate Books - Death, Sex & Money | How the Ultra-Rich Think…and What They Fear

Evan Osnos has spent nearly his whole life observing the habits, values, and norms of the wealthy elite, from his childhood in suburban Connecticut to the years he spent reporting on the mega-yachts and underground bunkers of the U.S.’s richest citizens. 

This week, he talks to Anna about his new book The Haves and Have-Yachts: Dispatches on the Ultrarich, and they get specific about what the most powerful people in the world value and what keeps them up at night.

Evan is a staff writer at The New Yorker and is a co-host of The New Yorker’s podcast The Political Scene.  

This episode was produced by Cameron Drews.

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What A Day - Amid Bad Jobs Report, Trump White House Leans Into Politics

The fallout from President Donald Trump’s decision last week to fire the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics over what he called a ‘rigged’ jobs report continued Monday, as White House officials rushed to defend his actions. Amid growing bipartisan outcry, National Economic Council Director Kevin Hassett put the blame on a familiar culprit in the Trump Cinematic Universe: The Deep State. He told CNBC, “All over the U.S. government, there have been people who have been resisting Trump everywhere they can.” Trump is expected to announce his new pick to run the BLS this week, but already he’s made that person’s job – and the bureau’s job – harder by making Americans even less likely to trust their data. Heidi Shierholz, who served as the chief economist at the Department of Labor under President Barack Obama and now runs the nonpartisan labor think tank the Economic Policy Institute, joins us to talk about the BLS, the important data it compiles, and what the hell a revision is.

And in headlines: Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott escalated the redistricting fight with state Democrats, Republican Rep. Nancy Mace announced her campaign for South Carolina governor, and the Trump administration has reportedly backtracked on the president’s campaign promise to make health insurers cover IVF.

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The NewsWorthy - Texas Dems Threatened, Air Quality Worsens & Women’s Health Boost – Tuesday, August 5, 2025

The news to know for Tuesday, August 5, 2025!

We’re talking about redistricting battles playing out all around the country. It started in Texas, but we’ll tell you which states could be next.

Also, President Trump is expected to send diplomats to Russia just as he gives Putin an ultimatum.

Plus: where air quality is now considered dangerous for everyone, what’s happening to American Eagle’s stock in the wake of controversy, and what cause is now getting a multi-billion-dollar infusion from the Gates Foundation.

 

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Pod Save America - Texas Democrats Working Remote

Texas Democrats, in an attempt to block Trump's redistricting effort, shut down a special legislative session by fleeing the state. Texas State Rep. James Talarico joins the show to explain what happens now and why he and his Democratic colleagues believe that getting out of town is the best way to serve their constituents in this moment. Then, Jon, Lovett, and Tommy discuss Trump's decision to fire the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Ghislaine Maxwell's transfer to a cushy minimum-security prison, new reporting about who's sending all those annoying fundraising texts, and, of course, Trump's comments on the most important story of the moment: Sydney Sweeney's jeans.

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The Best One Yet - 🀄👵 “Crazy Rich Aces” — Mahjong’s “GrannyCore” surge. Elon’s record bonus. NY Post’s Californiacation. Hennessey’s rap biz.

The hot new networking opportunity… is playing a 200-year-old Chinese game: Mahjong.

Tesla gave Elon the biggest bonus in human history… during the biggest drop in business history.

The NY Post is expanding to California… but the iconic tabloid actually began with Alexander Hamilton.

The untold origin story of… Hennessey Cognac.


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WSJ Tech News Briefing - When the Chatbot Tells You What You Want to Hear

AI chatbots have a tendency to flatter users—a term called AI “sycophancy.” And while it feels good, you may pay a high price for that praise. Malihe Alikhani, an assistant professor of AI at Northeastern University’s Khoury College of Computer Sciences, joins us to explain the risks. Plus, should you keep your digital secrets in a digital safe? Belle Lin hosts.


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What Next | Daily News and Analysis - Don’t Mess With Texas’s Election Maps

How Texas redrawing its election maps could set off a gerrymandering arms race across the country—a race the Republicans are likely to win. 

Guest:  Ari Berman is a voting rights correspondent at Mother Jones. 

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